Nothing makes that OK.

“And just so you know, I do think that the Holocaust justifies every action taken by the state of Israel since then. If the rest of the world stood by and watched millions of people that simply identified with your religious beliefs be rounded up and killed, do you really think you wouldn’t do your best to create a safe haven for your family regardless of international opinion?”

Yes, I’ve heard that argument before and fundamentally disagree with you, for a number of reasons. Whatever took place more than 60 years ago does not justify murder, oppression and Apartheid.

We are all descendents of people who have been oppressed and mistreated in the past. We all need to get over it. I have more in common with you – whoever you are – than with my 19th century ancestors. I suggest to you the reverse is true too.

Here’s some unsolicited advice (you did after all decide to comment here):

Let go of your fear that drives you to separatist extremism. Enjoy being part of contemporary humanity.

And for goodness sakes… if you DO intend to push the line that the events of World War Two justify contemporary segregationalism, cruelty and ill-treatment of others, at least support full and free discussion about those events.

Alan Gresley: It good to see that you have also have mastered this blog unique manner in replying and quoting at the same time

Getting there. it is indeed a bit confusing and easy to make mistakes.It might be handy to have the comment box open in a new window, especially in long threads like this.

Alan Gresley: I am glad that this time around you are expressing opposition. I welcome your opinions and knowledge. If you make assumptions about what I think or believe which are inaccurate then I will point them out to you.

Fair enough.

Alan Gresley: This would be most welcome Nick. I did discover a quote by Hitler referring to something that is projected into the future for a thousand years.

There is a wealth of material out there and it can be tedious and time-consuming to wade through it, but is a fascinating subject. Some of it is downright depressing, especially some of the more vicious Nazi propaganda.

Some of it, despite its odious subject matter is written extremely well. German is its is own way a very beautiful and very precise language.

It never ceases to astonish me that so many gifted, well educated and cultured people lend themselves to the depravity of the Nazi regime.

But I’ll make it my mission to trace down the origin and meaning of those 2 concepts that started this thread.

mark: You’re starting to lose it.

Whatever…

mark:
There’s a world of difference between a Jew and a Zionist Jew.

Not all Zionist are Jewish. Some are Christians. Also Zionism is a political or national movement, not a religious movement. The people that promoted Zionism are indeed all part of the Anglo-American elite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism

Selecting the link for “Early British and American support for Jewish return” you will see some of the major players. One that really stands out for me is the Mormon leader Joseph Smith. The similarity between the Mormons and the Freemasons can not be overlook (This is a different topic altogether).

The Rothschild family of Europe may have been of Jewish descent. Benjamin Disraeli may have been of Jewish descent before converting to Anglicanism when he was a teenager but none of them seem concerned about the poor people of this world, if Jewish or non Jewish.

People cry out, “it’s the Jewish bankers” or it’s “American-Jewish propaganda. It is really the elite bankers and the media hacks spewing out Anglo-American-Jewish propaganda to blind people to the ruthless criminal elite. Anyway, as I have previously mentioned on another post, this is not just a Zionist Conspiracy.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,754321-2,00.html

It is from a British correspondent in Berlin in June 1934 and it states,

Chancellor Hitler, returning to Berlin from his parley, with President von Hindenburg, banged his big desk for the benefit of a British correspondent and shouted: “At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense I tell you that the Nazi movement will go on for 1,000 years! . . . Don’t forget how people laughed at me 15 years ago when I declared that one day I would govern Germany. They laugh now, just as foolishly, when I declare that I shall remain in power!”

This has nothing about a ‘Thousand Year Reich’ but has Hitler stating that the Nazi movement (National Socialist movement) will go on for a 1,000 years.

Nick: Why do you answer every question with a question? And why are you coaching Mark in how to answer questions?

It good to see that you have also have mastered this blog unique manner in replying and quoting at the same time. It’s hard to follow the various threads when this is not done correctly.

[Syd, you should give clear instructions. First press reply and secondly press quote.]

I did not answer your questions because I did not agree with the premise of them. You said “another form of indoctrination maybe?” This is far from the truth. You asked the question “why am I coaching Mark in debating techniques.” I was only hinting to him that you and him having trench warfare does not help him one little bit. It was you that got Mark to go off into a tangent and start talking about the bravery of Hitler during WW1. Anyway, Mark only has to read the commentary in this post or other post on this blog to learn debating techniques.

Nick: I thought this was “Just another blog about achieving global peace, prosperity and sustainability”, not a blog about “winning” pointless debates.

I agree with this if the commentary does not go off into a tangent.

Nick: Funny that only people who AGREE with Syd post on this blog. I’m honored to be the exception. Admit it guys, you enjoy slagging me off as much as I enjoy slagging you off. At least I livened things up a bit.

I don’t slag you off. I do attempt to get you to eat your own words (to cause someone to reflect on their inner contradictions). I would hope that this blog is not one of ‘yes men’. If you have seen some of my other comments on this blog, you will notice that Syd and I disagree on many things. I am glad that this time around you are expressing opposition. I welcome your opinions and knowledge. If you make assumptions about what I think or believe which are inaccurate then I will point them out to you.