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In search of the Master Race
September 6th, 2009 by Syd Walker

If you’re under 75 years old and grew up in a ‘western’ country, chances are you remember from childhood that one of the things that made the Nazis especially wicked was their notion of ‘racial’ supremacy and Hitler’s lunatic ambition to spawn a ‘Master Race’.

Whether via my parents, school education, books, comics, movies or the mass media – from a fairly early age I absorbed the notion that under Adolf Hitler’s leadership, the Nazis – and they alone – sought to promote their ‘race’ to superdude status.

Adolf Hitler

Wicked Uncle Adolf: we learnt at school that he wanted a Master Race, of people like him (with blonde hair)

I can’t recall the number of times I’ve heard reasoning along the following lines:

The Nazis believed the Aryans are a Master Race and wanted to lord it over the rest – didn’t they?

That’s why we had to fight them to the end – wasn’t it?

Sure, the 60 million or so deaths (and tens of millions of refugees) of World War Two were a lot of ‘collateral damage’ – but it was all worth it, wasn’t it?

After all, we can’t take chances with nutcases who want to take over the world – can we? Thank heavens for Winston Churchill! etc. etc.

It’s scary, persuasive stuff that may well have convinced all but the most recalcitrant pacifists to join the military struggle against Nazi Germany.

That’s doubtless why Anglo-American propaganda worked hard, during World War Two, to promote these anxieties.

But what basis did the western propagandists have for their claims? Is it true that the Nazi leadership promoted the notion of an Aryan ‘Master Race’? Where’s the evidence?

I used to think it was unquestionably true – and was sure there was plenty of evidence. Then I researched the topic a little. Now I’m not so sure at all.

A good place to start, when looking for information on a hot-button political issue such as this, is Wikipedia. It’s never a good place to end, as it is often heavily biased, factually inaccurate, subject to change at any moment – and it’s ultimately edited by anonymous people who, for all I know, could be Winston Churchill’s great-grandchildren. But Wikipedia is a good place to start. That’s where the mainstream conformist view of the day is likely to be articulated…

Sure enough, Wikipedia has an entry on Master Race. This is the summary tet which appears at the top of the entry, as of today:

The master race (German: die Herrenrasse, De-herrenvolk.ogg das Herrenvolk (help·info)) was a concept in Nazi ideology, which holds that the Teutonics (including the Nordic peoples), one of the branches of what in the late 19th and early 20th century was called the Aryan race, represent an ideal and “pure race“. It derives from 19th century racial theory, which posited a hierarchy of races placing Aboriginal Australians and so-called “African savages” at the bottom of the hierarchy[citation needed] while Northern Europeans (namely the Germanic peoples) at the top.

It’s a summary I might have written myself back in high school, if asked to define the Nazi’s concept of ‘Master Race’. Germans on the top, blacks on the bottom – Nazis wanting to enslave the Untermenschen… that’s what I remember learning, all those years ago.

But glancing through the body text of Wikipedia’s entry, I find no references to speeches or written documents by leading Nazis in which they spell out their ‘Master Plan’ for a ‘Master Race’ to the populace. I turn to the discussion page, often the most informative bit of a Wikipedia entry. Scanning down, I eventually find one entry that directly addresses my question. It’s the very last one as of today. It carries the sub-title: ‘Any Proof?’

This is what it says:

Any Proof?

I hereby challenge the claim that the term master race or German: Herrenrasse was a concept in Nazi ideology. I claim it was not but rather a propaganda term used by the Allies.

Please give proof (original sources) that this term was used in speeches or publications by/of any Nazi leaders between 1933 and 1945. 62.226.30.93 (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

As of yet, no-one has replied to this comment…

After a little research of my own, I turned up a webpage authored by the professional translator and revisionist historian Carlos Porter entitled Master Race Note. I won’t quote it all. A couple of extracts will do:

The term “Master Race” is of French origin, and was used by Gobineau. I have been unable to find one single authenticated example of use of the term “Master Race” by National Socialists. [In fact, I can't even find it Gobineau; only in the introduction by somebody else -- "race des seigneurs". The plot thickens.]

One of the witnesses at Nuremberg maintained that he had never heard the term until he appeared in court after the war. The famous falsifier and faker, Hermann Rauschning, repeatedly uses the term “Herrenschicht” (”Master Stratum”, translated into English as “Master Class”) in his famous fake, HITLER SPEAKS, or THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION, a.k.a. HITLER M’A DIT (written one third in French by a ghost writer hired by the Hungarian Jew “Emery Reeves” and translated into German in Paris for the largest cash advance ever paid for a so-called work of “non-fiction”; the other two thirds were faked by Rauschning under the direction of Reeves). Rauschning met Hitler only 4 times and was never alone with him; one of the episodes in the book is borrowed from a famous short story by Guy de Maupassant, LE HORLA. Rauschning had written another book only the year before, entitled THE REVOLUTION OF NIHILISM, in which he never even claimed to have met Hitler more than a few times. This was all forgotten.

Since the term “Master Class” contradicts the National Socialist ideal of a classless society in which “Work Ennobles”, and presumably reflects the Marxist delusion that “fascism is the last phase of bourgeois capitalism”, it may be that the phrase “Master Class” was simply lifted from Rauschning and transformed into “Master Race” by American and British newspapers.

Update 15 September 2008:

Last year, someone gave me approximately 40 hours of National Socialist speeches in MP3 files, taken from a site called http://nsl-archiv.com/Buecher/ (not just Hitler, but also Göbbels, Göring, Hess, Strasser, Röhm and many others). I have listened to all of these and continue to do so, and, as far as I can tell, the term “Master Race” is simply never mentioned…

Mr Porter does acknowledge one case when a Nazi leader allegedly used the term ‘Master Race’. That was in Himmler’s so-called ‘Secret Speech’. But one speech in more than years of the Third Reich is not much evidence, especially when (a) the reference appears to be sarcastic, and (b) there are doubts about the authenticity of the entire speech.

Incidentally, on the same webpage, Carlos Porter also challenges the popular notion that the Nais plotted a ‘1,000 Year Reich‘:

The adjective “jährig” in German, preceded by a number, refers to how old something is, nothing more. It does not refer to how long something will exist in the future. Ein “zehnjähriges Kind” is a ten-year old child. Ein “Funfzigjähriger” is a man fifty years old. It doesn’t mean he’s going to live fifty years in the future.

The term “tausendjährige Reich” refers to the fact that the First Reich was founded by Charlemagne; the Second Reich by Bismark; and the Third Reich by Hitler.

The Reich, or German Empire, was therefore one thousand years old.

Many countries are a thousand years old; the list is a long one (most countries, in fact).

Portugal is 1000 years old and had an Empire until April 25, 1974, but nobody ever accused them of trying to “conquer the world”. What’s the difference?

Americans keep harping on the term “thousand year Reich”, but forget to inquire what the term “Third Reich” even means. Very careless of them.

Careless indeed! But then, why take any care at all – when a careless myth does the trick?

Although I wrestled briefly with German as a boy, I’ve never learnt the language, a deficiency I regret. I blame the girls of that era, who were far too distracting. Anyhow, it makes it hard to do more than report the views of people who are able to read original German-language documents (yet ‘Holocaust expert’ Deborah Lipstadt doesn’t seem fazed by her reported lack of German; perhaps she has different standards?)

I invite comments on these topics. If anyone has relevant information, please share it here.

I’m more than a little curious to know whether the ‘Master Race’ and ‘1,000 Year Reich’ phobias were yet more baseless Anglo-American-Zionist propaganda, cut from the same cloth as the legend of Saddam Hussein’s mythical ‘weapons of mass destruction’.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Alan Gresley: It good to see that you have also have mastered this blog unique manner in replying and quoting at the same time

    Getting there. it is indeed a bit confusing and easy to make mistakes.It might be handy to have the comment box open in a new window, especially in long threads like this.

    Alan Gresley: I am glad that this time around you are expressing opposition. I welcome your opinions and knowledge. If you make assumptions about what I think or believe which are inaccurate then I will point them out to you.

    Fair enough.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Alan Gresley: This would be most welcome Nick. I did discover a quote by Hitler referring to something that is projected into the future for a thousand years.

    There is a wealth of material out there and it can be tedious and time-consuming to wade through it, but is a fascinating subject. Some of it is downright depressing, especially some of the more vicious Nazi propaganda.

    Some of it, despite its odious subject matter is written extremely well. German is its is own way a very beautiful and very precise language.

    It never ceases to astonish me that so many gifted, well educated and cultured people lend themselves to the depravity of the Nazi regime.

    But I’ll make it my mission to trace down the origin and meaning of those 2 concepts that started this thread.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    mark: You’re starting to lose it.

    Whatever…

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  • mark writes:
    September 16th, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Nick: : I’ve never heard a Zionist acknowledge Hitler’s bravery before.
    You hear what you want to hear obviously and again what is the relevance ?
    http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/memorial.php

    You’re starting to lose it.

    I ask for an instance where a Zionist has acknowledged Hitler’s WW1 bravery and you give me Jews who died fighting for Germany during WW1. (brave men they obviously were)

    There’s a world of difference between a Jew and a Zionist Jew.

    Why don’t I just pluck three Zionist nutbags out of the air? Let’s say Alan Dershowitz, Abe Foxman and Shimon Peres for example. All Zionists and all dangerously psychotic.

    Can you show me where any of these nutbags has ackowledged Hitler’s bravery?

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

      mark:
      There’s a world of difference between a Jew and a Zionist Jew.

      Not all Zionist are Jewish. Some are Christians. Also Zionism is a political or national movement, not a religious movement. The people that promoted Zionism are indeed all part of the Anglo-American elite.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism

      Selecting the link for “Early British and American support for Jewish return” you will see some of the major players. One that really stands out for me is the Mormon leader Joseph Smith. The similarity between the Mormons and the Freemasons can not be overlook (This is a different topic altogether).

      The Rothschild family of Europe may have been of Jewish descent. Benjamin Disraeli may have been of Jewish descent before converting to Anglicanism when he was a teenager but none of them seem concerned about the poor people of this world, if Jewish or non Jewish.

      People cry out, “it’s the Jewish bankers” or it’s “American-Jewish propaganda. It is really the elite bankers and the media hacks spewing out Anglo-American-Jewish propaganda to blind people to the ruthless criminal elite. Anyway, as I have previously mentioned on another post, this is not just a Zionist Conspiracy.

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    • Nick writes:
      September 16th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

      Whatever…

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  • Nick writes:
    September 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am

    mark: if you twist their arms for a week, like I’ve had to do with you.

    You did not. I never denied it. Why is this so important to you ? How is it relevant to this thread ?

    mark: I’ve never heard a Zionist acknowledge Hitler’s bravery before.

    You hear what you want to hear obviously and again what is the relevance ?

    http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/memorial.php

    mark: That’s what I’m taking from this thread—victory.

    You sad little man. Have you have been reading too many of Hitler’s speeches ?

    Here are the names of some German Jews who fought alongside Hitler in WWI ;

    http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/memorial.php

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  • mark writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Nick: Even the Israelis will acknowledge that Hitler was decorated twice for bravery during WWI.

    Yeah right–if you twist their arms for a week, like I’ve had to do with you.

    I’ve never heard a Zionist acknowledge Hitler’s bravery before.

    You’re the first. That’s what I’m taking from this thread—victory.

    I know that’ll spike your Zionist ego.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    mark:
    Crap. Your mind is slammed shut.

    And yours is wide open ????

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  • Nick writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Alan Gresley: Does Hitler or the Nazis ever mention a Third Reich? I see that the Nazis mention this ‘1000 Year Reich’.

    Not sure what you mean with this ?Aren’t you contradicting yourself ?

    But as I mentioned before t, at the time,the understanding was that of an empire that would last a thousand years.

    By the late 30’s the Nazis actively discouraged the use of “The Thousand Year Reich”, because of its religious overtones and because it left them open to ridicule.

    I don’t think it is very important as such. I am just reacting to the fact that Porter is somehow trying to put the use of the concept of a “Thousand Year Reich” down to American-Zionist propaganda.

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 16th, 2009 at 12:23 am

      Nick:
      Not sure what you mean with this? Aren’t you contradicting yourself?

      No, this has got me to question the term ‘Thousand Year Reich’ and what it did mean compared to what it does means today. The First Reich would never have been name such without a Second Reich so this would indicate that both terms could only have been used after 1918. I would be interested to know who coined the terms. I would be interested to know if Germans used such terms. An online dictionary gives this.

      Reich, noun: (with reference to Germany) empire; realm; nation.

      Looking back at my German Dictionary I find this.

      Reich, noun (-(e)s, -e): state, realm, empire; reign.

      Note the extra word ‘Reign’. I had realized during the course of this commentary that Reich and Reign meant similar things. You now have backed this up by stating, “By the late 30’s the Nazis actively discouraged the use of “The Thousand Year Reich”, because of its religious overtones.”

      If the German populace understood the term ‘Thousand Year Reich’ (Ttausendjährige Reich) to be the same or similar to the ‘Thousand Year Reign’ of Christ, then this does broaden this whole discussion. I would be interested in acquiring some German Bibles from various periods to further this research. This is not about what Carlos Porter states (correct or incorrect) but what has become of the two terms by a possible change in there meanings.

      Looking at the Ninth Edition (with the Tenth Edition as a supplement) of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1888 and 1902), I find no reference to Reich. This would indicate that during the now named Second Reich (1871 to 1918), Reich didn’t have any special meaning. I assume by just simple logic that Second Reich was only coined after 1918. We could push this date forward to at least 1924 with the introduction of the Reichsmark.

      Reich-smark: German Mark, stabilized currency (after 1924).

      When was the term ‘Third Reich’ first used?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_reich

      Wikipedia has,

      “The name Third Reich (Drittes Reich, “Third Reich”) refers to the state as the successor to the Holy Roman Empire of the Middle Ages and the German Empire of 1871–1918. In German, the state was known as Deutsches Reich (German Reich) until 1943, when its official name became Großdeutsches Reich (Greater German Reich).”

      We see no mention of ‘Third Reich’ but instead ‘Deutsches Reich’ and ‘Großdeutsches Reich’. This does suggest that the term ‘Third Reich’ was never used by Germans until after WW2. By this time the whole meaning of the various terms would have gradually changed, especially since Germany was now under occupation by the Allies.

      Nick:
      By the late 30’s the Nazis actively discouraged the use of “The Thousand Year Reich”, because of its religious overtones and because it left them open to ridicule. I don’t think it is very important as such.

      Actually this is very important. You may not see this as important but I and maybe the rest of the world would be very interested.

      Nick:
      I am just reacting to the fact that Porter is somehow trying to put the use of the concept of a “Thousand Year Reich” down to American-Zionist propaganda.

      Well you are welcome to now react to my opinion as well since I now have a better understanding of such ambiguity of such terms. After doing my own minimal research, I now sway towards the opinion that the current understanding of the term ‘Thousand Year Reich’ is due to American-Zionist propaganda and that the Nazis use of the term is in fact retrospective and means the continuation of a ‘Thousand Year Kingdom’.

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      • Nick writes:
        September 16th, 2009 at 7:40 am

        Alan,

        When I have some more time, I will do some more research and look into original source material like European newspapers of the time and show you what I can find.

        Alan Gresley: If the German populace understood the term ‘Thousand Year Reich’ (Ttausendjährige Reich) to be the same or similar to the ‘Thousand Year Reign’ of Christ, then this does broaden this whole discussion.

        Alan,

        That is exactly the concern the Nazis had at the time. And I remember distinctly seeing cartoons and stories from that era mocking the concept of an Empire that would last a thousand years.

        When I have some more time, I will do more research and look into original source material like European newspapers of the time and post the results.

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        • Alan Gresley writes:
          September 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

          This would be most welcome Nick. I did discover a quote by Hitler referring to something that is projected into the future for a thousand years.

          http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,754321-2,00.html

          It is from a British correspondent in Berlin in June 1934 and it states,

          Chancellor Hitler, returning to Berlin from his parley, with President von Hindenburg, banged his big desk for the benefit of a British correspondent and shouted: “At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense I tell you that the Nazi movement will go on for 1,000 years! . . . Don’t forget how people laughed at me 15 years ago when I declared that one day I would govern Germany. They laugh now, just as foolishly, when I declare that I shall remain in power!”

          This has nothing about a ‘Thousand Year Reich’ but has Hitler stating that the Nazi movement (National Socialist movement) will go on for a 1,000 years.

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  • mark writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Nick: Gotta run. My Mossad contact is waiting for me….

    And he won’t be happy when he sees you’ve been manouvered into acknowledging Hitler was a twice decorated war hero.

    Dumbass.

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

      mark:
      And he won’t be happy when he sees you’ve been manouvered into acknowledging Hitler was a twice decorated war hero.Dumbass.

      Good one Mark. :-)

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    • Nick writes:
      September 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

      I was not manoeuvred into anything,Mark.

      Even the Israelis will acknowledge that Hitler was decorated twice for bravery during WWI. Look, I have said it again,of my own free will ! Hitler also loved dogs apparently.

      it is a well established fact, why would anyone deny it ?

      But you got Alan’s approval… good boy , Mark. You really delivered a knock-out this time. I’m still reeling….

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  • mark writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Nick: I base my opinions on original source material and the experience of people known to me, that lived during WWII

    Crap. Your mind is slammed shut.

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  • mark writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Nick: There’s a few hardline Zionist Israel apologists scattered here and there on blogs like this and you seem to have a similar style to theirs
    Maybe that’s because they address similar issues. I have no connection with any Zionists on Israelis whatsoever.

    Yeah right. You would say that, of course.

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    • Nick writes:
      September 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am

      It might surprise you that there are people who can think for themselves and you are obviously not one of them.

      You have already made up your mind that I am a member of some Zionist group,which I am not.

      That’s typical of your thinking. Just endlessly repeating slogans and innuendoes does not make them true.

      Are you allowed to post your comments without running them past the leadership first ? But then again, you have Alan to help you out when you put your foot in it.

      Go back to reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and similar crap and keep dreaming of your misunderstood war-hero.

      And whatever you do, do not try and attempt to address any of the issues I have raised. It is just so much easier to believe in propaganda and conspiracies.

      Gotta run. My Mossad contact is waiting for me….

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  • mark writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Nick: Personally, I think you’re a pain in the ass.
    Good, I’m glad

    That’s wierd. You’ve got issues.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 15th, 2009 at 8:01 am

    Mark: I’m inclined to think Harold might be right.

    Of course you are, even though I have said that there is no truth in his allegation.

    Mark: There’s a few hardline Zionist Israel apologists scattered here and there on blogs like this and you seem to have a similar style to theirs

    Maybe that’s because they address similar issues. I have no connection with any Zionists on Israelis whatsoever. I base my opinions on original source material and the experience of people known to me, that lived during WWII. Original source material that frauds like Porter try to ignore and distort and faithful Hitler fantasists like you blindly repeat .

    And of course you have people like Alan to speak on your behalf when you get caught out in half-assed arguments. You’re obviously a happy little club with the same, uncontested, beliefs and as Alan puts it :

    “do you think that Mark, myself or even Syd would give what you think much credence?”

    Probably not, because that would mean having to challenge your own entrenched views. So far, no one has responded on the issue that Syd originally raised and my response to it,namely Porter’s attempt to fraudulently link the concepts of master race and 100 Year Reich to American-Zionist propaganda. But let’s not discuss the issues here, but rather stick to personal abuse and unfounded allegations.

    Mark: Personally, I think you’re a pain in the ass.

    Good, I’m glad

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 15th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

      Nick:
      You’re obviously a happy little club with the same, uncontested, beliefs and as Alan puts it :“do you think that Mark, myself or even Syd would give what you think much credence?” Probably not, because that would mean having to challenge your own entrenched views.

      Actually these views are very recent opinions (revisions of history). I had for a long time believed the opposite was true. It is your assumption that these recent expressed opinions are entrenched views.

      Nick:
      So far, no one has responded on the issue that Syd originally raised and my response to it,namely Porter’s attempt to fraudulently link the concepts of master race and 100 Year Reich to American-Zionist propaganda.

      First Reich – The Holy Roman Empire which lasted from 962AD (one source has this at 845AD) and lasted until 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars.

      Second Reich – The German Empire which lasted from 1871 to 1918.

      Third Reich – The Nazis reign of terror which lasted from 1932 to 1945.

      This is close to a 1000 years (983 years to be exact). If the Nazis were in power until the end of 1961, we would have a reign/reich (a German Empire or Kingdom) of 1000 years.

      It can be postulated that the terms First Reich and Second Reich were only used after 1918. Does Hitler or the Nazis ever mention a Third Reich? I see that the Nazis mention this ‘1000 Year Reich’.

      Reign

      –noun
      1. the period during which a sovereign occupies the throne.
      2. royal rule or authority; sovereignty.
      3. dominating power or influence: the reign of law.
      –verb (used without object)
      4. to possess or exercise sovereign power or authority.
      5. to hold the position and name of sovereign without exercising the ruling power.
      6. to have control, rule, or influence of any kind.
      7. to predominate; be prevalent.

      Origin:
      1225–75; (n.) ME reine, regne < OF reigne < L regnum realm, reign, deriv. of reg- (s. of rex) king; (v.) ME reinen, regnen < OF reignier < L regnare, deriv. of regnum

      Reich

      –noun
      1. (with reference to Germany) empire; realm; nation.
      2. the German state, esp. during the Nazi period.
      Compare First Reich, Second Reich, Third Reich.

      Origin:
      1920–25; < G: kingdom

      First Reich

      –noun
      the Holy Roman Empire until its dissolution in 1806.

      Second Reich
      –noun
      the German Empire 1871–1919.

      Third Reich

      –noun
      Germany during the Nazi regime 1933–45.

      I think that Syd analysis maybe correct.

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  • Mark writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Nick: Mark:
    although you’ve moanied about it all the way.A
    When ?
    Mark: As for the rest of your rude ranting, consider it ignored.
    Of course, you would not want to try and address any of the issues I have raised and of course you have Alan to respond on your behalf.He is even coaching you on how to debate “people like me”.
    Looks like you swapped one form of indoctrination for another one.
    Whatever makes you happy…

    I don’t really know why you would carry on suchways. I’m inclined to think Harold might be right. There’s a few hardline Zionist Israel apologists scattered here and there on blogs like this and you seem to have a similar style to theirs. Personally, I think you’re a pain in the ass.

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  • Mark writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Nick: Mark: I merely wanted you to acknowledge he was a twice decorated war hero.
    Why ?

    To see if we can agree on something. It’s never happened before.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Mark: I merely wanted you to acknowledge he was a twice decorated war hero.

    Why ?

    Mark:
    although you’ve moanied about it all the way.A

    When ?

    Mark: As for the rest of your rude ranting, consider it ignored.

    Of course, you would not want to try and address any of the issues I have raised and of course you have Alan to respond on your behalf.He is even coaching you on how to debate “people like me”.

    Looks like you swapped one form of indoctrination for another one.

    Whatever makes you happy…

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  • Nick writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Harold: It smells like Syd’s been assigned a Sayanim.

    Why the paranoia?

    I have no connections with Israel, the Mossad or Jewish people in general.

    Joseph Goebels would be proud of you..

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  • Nick writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Alan Gresley: Note for Mark: We must be cautious of such techniques in debating which Nick has demonstrated firsthand

    Why are you answering for Mark, Alan and why are you coaching him in debating techniques ?

    Another form of indoctrination maybe ?

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

      Nick:
      Why are you answering for Mark, Alan and why are you coaching him in debating techniques ?

      Another form of indoctrination maybe ?

      Why can’t you acknowledge (in private at least) that you have lost the debate?

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      • Nick writes:
        September 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

        Why do you answer every question with a question ? And why are you coaching Mark in how to answer questions ?

        I thought this was

        “Just another blog about achieving global peace, prosperity and sustainability”,

        not

        a blog about “winning” pointless debates.

        Funny that only people who AGREE with Syd post on this blog.I’m honoured to be the exception.

        Admit it guys, you enjoy slagging me off as much as I enjoy slagging you off.

        At least I livened things up a bit.

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        • Alan Gresley writes:
          September 16th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

          Nick: Why do you answer every question with a question? And why are you coaching Mark in how to answer questions?

          It good to see that you have also have mastered this blog unique manner in replying and quoting at the same time. It’s hard to follow the various threads when this is not done correctly.

          [Syd, you should give clear instructions. First press reply and secondly press quote.]

          I did not answer your questions because I did not agree with the premise of them. You said “another form of indoctrination maybe?” This is far from the truth. You asked the question “why am I coaching Mark in debating techniques.” I was only hinting to him that you and him having trench warfare does not help him one little bit. It was you that got Mark to go off into a tangent and start talking about the bravery of Hitler during WW1. Anyway, Mark only has to read the commentary in this post or other post on this blog to learn debating techniques.

          Nick: I thought this was “Just another blog about achieving global peace, prosperity and sustainability”, not a blog about “winning” pointless debates.

          I agree with this if the commentary does not go off into a tangent.

          Nick: Funny that only people who AGREE with Syd post on this blog. I’m honored to be the exception. Admit it guys, you enjoy slagging me off as much as I enjoy slagging you off. At least I livened things up a bit.

          I don’t slag you off. I do attempt to get you to eat your own words (to cause someone to reflect on their inner contradictions). I would hope that this blog is not one of ‘yes men’. If you have seen some of my other comments on this blog, you will notice that Syd and I disagree on many things. I am glad that this time around you are expressing opposition. I welcome your opinions and knowledge. If you make assumptions about what I think or believe which are inaccurate then I will point them out to you.

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  • Harold writes:
    September 14th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    It smells like Syd’s been assigned a Sayanim.

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  • Mark writes:
    September 13th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Nick: I never denied that Hitler was decorated for bravery.

    I never said you did. I merely wanted you to acknowledge he was a twice decorated war hero. You have now done so, although you’ve moanied about it all the way.

    As for the rest of your rude ranting, consider it ignored.

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  • mark writes:
    September 13th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Nick: Yes he was indeed.

    I’m glad you’ve finally acknowledged the fact.

    Wasn’t so hard was it.

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    • Nick writes:
      September 13th, 2009 at 10:13 am

      I never denied that Hitler was decorated for bravery. Why would I and who cares ?

      Many people were decorated for bravery and did not turn into murderous megalomaniacs.

      You obviously prefer playing silly little games rather than tackling some of the bigger issues that were raised in this post.

      You say that you have been indoctrinated in believing that ” Hitler was the most evil man in history”. That is your statement, not mine. Don’t attribute your experiences to the world at large.

      Maybe Stalin was more evil or maybe Pol Pot or maybe Jack the Ripper.

      But apparently Hitler was not the most evil one, because he was decorated for bravery. So what’s that got to do with anything ?

      This post was about Carlos Porter’s fraudulent claims that the words “Master Race” and “100 year Reich” were the products of Zionist-American propaganda.

      I think you are out of your depth on this issue and you really have nothing to contribute.. Do some research and come back when you have learned something.

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      • Alan Gresley writes:
        September 13th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

        Note for Mark: We must be cautious of such techniques in debating which Nick has demonstrated firsthand. His poorly put question and answer comments got you to say something which now Nick has ran away with.

        Nick: I never denied that Hitler was decorated for bravery. Why would I and who cares ?

        This is true but you have sidestep factual information that I have said.

        Nick: You obviously prefer playing silly little games rather than tackling some of the bigger issues that were raised in this post.

        This is hypocrisy at it’s best Nick.

        Nick: You say that you have been indoctrinated in believing that ” Hitler was the most evil man in history”. That is your statement, not mine. Don’t attribute your experiences to the world at large.

        Firstly I was indoctrinated in believing that “Hitler was the most evil man in history.” This was my experience. Secondly I have become aware that other people in this world share a similar opinion as I that the history that we have been told about WW2 is not factual but partly based in lies. Nick is understanding that his opinion is the same or similar to other expressed opinions from people from the world at large. You use this word attributing.

        Attribute – ing, Logic. (in a proposition) that which is affirmed or denied concerning the subject.

        Nick can only affirm or deny his opinion (not experiences) about Zionist propaganda from the world at large. His experiences can never be confirmed or denied (qualified). You are in no position to express an opinion that someone is attributing their experiences to whatever is being debated. You are the only one that can attribute your own experiences to anything outside of you. Maybe you were fortunate enough to not have this rammed down your throat that “Hitler was the most evil man in history” but don’t suggest that other people have not experienced this.

        Nick: So what’s that got to do with anything? This post was about Carlos Porter’s fraudulent claims that the words “Master Race” and “100 year Reich” were the products of Zionist-American propaganda.

        This post is about questioning what many (not you) have been told about the Nazis and WW2. Carlos Porter perspective was just mentioned by Syd due to his questioning (or if you wish, revising) of history. Indeed simply revising,
        ————————————-
        –verb (used with object)
        1. to amend or alter: to revise one’s opinion.
        2. to alter something already written or printed, in order to make corrections, improve, or update: to revise a manuscript.
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        has become a crime.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_crime

        Some people see the similarities between Newspeak and American-Zionist propaganda but even seeing, realizing or pointing out to others such similarities is itself a thought crime.

        Nick: I think you are out of your depth on this issue and you really have nothing to contribute.. Do some research and come back when you have learned something.

        Now Nick, do you think that Mark, myself or even Syd would give what you think much credence? You seem to have your own worldview and beliefs nicely self validated (or externally validated) but when someone say something else that is valid, this doesn’t seem to impinge on you. This fact alone itself amplifies our opinions about the affects of indoctrination and propaganda by whichever organization or system.

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        • Alan Gresley writes:
          September 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

          Correction: Mark can only affirm or deny his opinion (not experiences) about Zionist propaganda from the world at large.

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  • mark writes:
    September 12th, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Nick: 3)How ? Because I don’t agree with someone who is convinced that Hitler had redeeming qualities ?

    Hitler was twice decorated for bravery during WW1. If its not a reedeemig quality, what is it?

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    • Nick writes:
      September 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

      Yes he was indeed. I did not know you were into war heroes…

      Poor Adolf was obviously disgusted that his heroics had been in vain :

      “At the beginning of the Great War, or even during the War, if twelve or fifteen thousand of these Jews who were corrupting the nation had been forced to submit to poison-gas . . . then the millions of sacrifices made at the front would not have been in vain..” (from Mein Kampf).

      Many American presidents and indeed Israeli government ministers were decorated for bravery as well. So what ?

      A brave man who destroyed his country and had an irrational hatred of Jews and other “sub-humans” ? A foolish demagogue who squandered countless opportunities and made so many incredibly stupid decisions that he just about single-handedly lost the war.

      Am I still flailing ?

      Have a read of Albert Speers’ autobiography. While leaving himself neatly off the hook, Mr. Speer paints an interesting picture of your hero Mr. Schicklgruber and the goings-on in the Nazi leadership. It’s bizarre and scary that people just stood by and let this madman take control of their lives.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    mark:
    1)We have been force fed Zionist propaganda from childhood.

    2) the similarities between Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel are remarkable.

    3) You’re starting to flail.

    1) Speak for yourself.
    2). really ? I don’t agree. However, there are similarities between the indoctrination of schoolchildren by the Nazis and the indoctrination of Palestinian children and suicide bombers.
    3)How ? Because I don’t agree with someone who is convinced that Hitler had redeeming qualities ?

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 13th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

      Nick:
      3)How ? Because I don’t agree with someone who is convinced that Hitler had redeeming qualities ?

      Is that what you think someone said in this debate? At no point do I or Syd say this. I have spoken about Zionist propaganda because it is something I have become aware of over the last few years. This raises many questions in me and makes me reconsider what I have be told by education, Hollywood and the media. Look at this quote from Hitler again.

      In Zweites Buch, Hitler portrayed the U.S. as a dynamic, “racially successful” society that practiced eugenics and segregation and followed what Hitler considered to be a wise policy of excluding “racially degenerate” immigration from eastern and southern Europe.”

      I only discovered this a few days ago. Firstly it backs up what I have said all along in this debate where I say that what happened in Germany prior to WW2 was also happening around the world. Secondly it can be suggested that eugenics, segregation and racism that was practiced in America motivated Hitler more. Would Hitler and his fellow Nazis have went on their reign of terror to such a degree if he wasn’t inspired by other examples of elitism from foreign countries?

      This is really a non-(con)sequential question or non sequiter (Latin, a conclusion that does not follow the premises) question since the Nazis reign of terror was financially, technically and morally supported by prominent people in America. This is a fact which education, Hollywood and the media rarely touches upon. In Profits über Alles! American Corporations and Hitler by Jacques R. Pauwels,

      http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/51/pauwels.html

      we see such things as:

      1. When Americans landed in Normandy in June 1944 and captured their first German trucks, they discovered that these vehicles were powered by engines produced by American firms such as Ford and General Motors.

      2. Some high-profile leaders of corporate America, however, such as Henry Ford liked and admired the Führer at an early stage. 4 Other precocious Hitler-admirers were press lord Randolph Hearst and Irénée Du Pont, head of the Du Pont trust, who according to Charles Higham, had already “keenly followed the career of the future Führer in the 1920s” and supported him financially.

      3. Edwin Black, author of the otherwise excellent book IBM and the Holocaust, explains the case of IBM chairman Thomas J. Watson, who met Hitler on a number of occasions in the 1930s and became fascinated with Germany’s authoritarian new ruler.

      4. In the 1920s many big American corporations enjoyed sizable investments in Germany. IBM established a German subsidiary, Dehomag, before World War I; in the 1920s General Motors took over Germany’s largest car manufacturer, Adam Opel AG; and Ford founded a branch plant, later known as the Ford-Werke, in Cologne. Other US firms contracted strategic partnerships with German companies. Standard Oil of New Jersey — today’s Exxon — developed intimate links with the German trust IG Farben. By the early 1930s, an élite of about twenty of the largest American corporations had a German connection including Du Pont, Union Carbide, Westinghouse, General Electric, Gilette, Goodrich, Singer, Eastman Kodak, Coca-Cola, IBM, and ITT. Finally, many American law firms, investment companies, and banks were deeply involved in America’s investment offensive in Germany, among them the renowned Wall Street law firm Sullivan & Cromwell, and the banks J. P. Morgan and Dillon, Read and Company, as well as the Union Bank of New York, owned by Brown Brothers & Harriman. The Union Bank was intimately linked with the financial and industrial empire of German steel magnate Thyssen, whose financial support enabled Hitler to come to power. This bank was managed by Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush. Prescott Bush was allegedly also an eager supporter of Hitler, funnelled money to him via Thyssen, and in return made considerable profits by doing business with Nazi Germany; with the profits he launched his son, the later president, in the oil business.

      Let me quote your previous words in the post,

      “I have no idea what you are talking about Alan, but there is no doubt that initially there was a lot of admiration for Hitler in certain circles in the UK.”

      A premise that can be made is that the Nazis could not had risen to power or created a war machine without the help from particular people in America and sequentially the Holocaust was a result of such help.

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  • mark writes:
    September 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Nick: The point is that Mr. Porter is twisting the truth and that Syd is using Porter’s misinterpretations of history to prove that the concepts of “a Master Race” and “a Thousand Year Reich” were nothing but American-Zionist propaganda.

    Wrong again. We have been force fed Zionist propaganda from childhood. While Jews were definitely persecuted by the Nazis, the actual facts are a little different to what we have been indoctrinated into believing. i.e. Hitler was the most evil man in history—WRONG, he had redeeming qualities. 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis—WRONG, the number has since been revised downwards (grudgingly).

    btw, the similarities between Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel are remarkable. Don’t you think that’s ironic?

    You’d better concentrate on your debates with Syd and Alan. You’re starting to flail.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Alan Gresley:

    1)Nick, why do you challenge such little snippets

    2)or even help Syd along with German?

    3)The above seems to me to be contradictory. First Hitler says that the German people (Germanic, Aryan ?) are of a superior race. Secondly he states that the National Socialist will lead the German people as there master.

    1)From the synonyms you have provided we could also translate Herrenvolk as Gentleman Crew. Why play semantics with the meaning of these words, when to a native German speaker their commonly accepted meaning is beyond any doubt ?

    The Nazis discouraged the use of Tausand Jahrig Reich in the late 30’s, because of its religious overtones and because it left them open to ridicule.

    2)I have and I proved that he was wrong and that Porter is a fraud.I’ll be happy to help with any other German translations.

    3)Yes, why wouldn’t they be ? They are straight from Mein Kampf, which is a piece of muddled crap.

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  • mark writes:
    September 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Nick: We are a Master Race, that must consider, that the lowest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the local population.

    If that and the other quote are accurate, then the Nazis have a lot in common with Zionist Israel.

    Just substitute “master race” with “God’s chosen people” and presto, the justification for genocide emerges.

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    • Nick writes:
      September 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

      The quotes are correct and you are completing missing the point.

      The point is that Mr. Porter is twisting the truth and that Syd is using Porter’s misinterpretations of history to prove that the concepts of “a Master Race” and “a Thousand Year Reich” were nothing but American-Zionist propaganda.

      Have a read through some of the stuff here. You probably won’t find what you would like to hear, but is all original material :

      http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm

      If you want to debate the politics of modern Israel, fine, but don’t use pathetic lies to make your point.I don’t agree with a lot of Israeli policies either,but there is simply no comparison between what happened before and during WWII and what has been going on in Israel/Palestine.

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      • Alan Gresley writes:
        September 9th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

        Nick, why do you challenge such little snippets and not challenge the relevant points which I have brought up concerning Eugenics or Fascism or even help Syd along with German?

        Nick: The German people are portrayed in MK as the ‘Herren der Erde’ whose genius and courage give them their elevated position as defenders of the world (MK:739; Mh.:596); they are a physically, morally and culturally superior Herrenvolk (’master people’) (MK:438; Mh.:360).

        Naturally, it is the NS movement which will lead the German people as their master: ‘Nicht Knecht soll sie der Masse sein, sondern Herr!’ [It must not become the servant of the masses, but their master!] (MK:520; Mh.:422).

        The above seems to me to be contradictory. First Hitler says that the German people (Germanic, Aryan ?) are of a superior race. Secondly he states that the National Socialist will lead the German people as there master. It seems that the National Socialist are the Masters of the Master Race.

        My German is non existence but reaching for a dictionary (Cassell’s New German Dictionary) I find this.

        Herr, m (-n, -en) master, lord, gentleman, sir.

        Volk, n (-(e)s, -er) people, nation, tribe, race; soldiery, troops, men, crew; herd (of beast), flock (of birds), covey (of partridges, etc), swarm (of bees); the common people, the lower classes, the crowd.

        Meister, m (-s -) master, chief, leader

        Herr seems to be used as a title of status or class where Meister seems to be used as one who is skilled in a trade, art or a teacher or senior.

        Herrenvolk seems to be a more applicable description of the National Socialist. The masters of the servants who were the superior people or race…, Meistervolk (if that is correct).

        Getting back to the similarities between Britain, America, Australia and Northern Europe. Is it true that the upper class of the German people were allowed to keep there status and wealth if they turn a blind eye to the Nazis? Is it true that Hitler praised the roll of the lower classes or workers if it was convenient to the Nazis agenda? Is it also true that the Nazis hunted down Jews (of possibly non Aryan race), Africans (non Aryan race), the disabled or diseased, homosexuals, Secret Societies (Freemasons) or the intellectuals of the upper class who were in opposition to the Nazis agenda?

        Concerning homosexuality. It is common knowledge (if you read their books, especially if they came from Eton) that the upper classes of many western countries believed that it is alright that the junior male students of elite schools were/are placed in situations (boarding schools) where they were/are exposed to the possibility of being sexuality assaulted by their senior male students or male teachers.

        Over the last few years in Australia, we have heard of the shocking details of what has happened or happens in the elite schools. Either being Knox Grammar (Presbyterian) in Sydney or St Stanislaus College (Roman Catholic) in Bathurst. It like a hidden culture of pedophilia that pervades the upper classes. Surely if a parent knew what they were exposed to when they went to boarding school, they would also know of what dangers their children could be exposed to. To deny this is like denying that Bohemian Grove is a place attended by a group of heterosexuals.

        What I am suggesting with all this Nick is that what is made out the be a fact by the Zionist media is in fact a lie and what they (the elite, upper class) hide is a plaque of pedophilia, occultism, mysticism or elitism. There seems to be a hidden culture of pedophilia among the elite.

        http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=culture+of+pedophilia+among+the+elite

        It seem the Kings and Queens of this world are only symbolic but the Zionist media hides the fact that these Kings, Queens, Nobility are the major holders of the world wealth. I also suggesting that the Anglo, Fabian, Zionist block had to break the culture of the German people (by allowing tyrants loose), and at the same time used double diplomacy to keep the Communist on there side since the USSR was in a much better position strategically in military terms to defeat the Nazis. Then after the war the Anglo, Fabian and Zionist block became the enemy of the USSR or Communist.

        At this very time in history it seems that it is the American people that the elite are trying to destroy. They seem intend of bringing on something which THEY term the New World Order (One World Government). Remember Bush Snr saying (in 1990 and 1991) that the 5th objective (1st to 4th objective ?) of the founders of the United Nations (Allies of WW2) is to establish a New World Order.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

        What was the agenda of the Hitler or the Nazis.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweites_Buch

        “In Zweites Buch, Hitler declared that for immediate purposes, the Soviet Union was still the most dangerous opponent, but that in the long-term, the most dangerous potential opponent was the United States.”

        “In Zweites Buch, Hitler called for an Anglo-German alliance based on the notion that the two “Aryan” powers were natural allies, and because of power politics.”

        “In Mein Kampf, Hitler portrayed the United States as a “racially degenerate” society on its way to self-destruction. By contrast, in Zweites Buch, Hitler portrayed the U.S. as a dynamic, “racially successful” society that practiced eugenics and segregation and followed what Hitler considered to be a wise policy of excluding “racially degenerate” immigration from eastern and southern Europe.”

        I guess in 1928 Hitler was unaware that he was going to be out stepped by those he saw as potential allies.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 8th, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Syd Walker: WHERE is the “aim of racial supremacy” articulated in speeches and publications by leading Nazis?

    You can find many examples here, Syd : http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm

    All the original German material is available as well, in case you question the veracity of these publications.

    Porter made an amateurish and mischievous attempt to distort the meaning of “Herrenvolk” and “Tausandjahrig”, words which common meaning has no ambiguity at all for any native German speaker and not for native Dutch,Danish,Norwegian or Swedish speakers either, especially not in their historical context.

    He probably thought he could get away with it with an English audience. In my eyes that destroys any credibility he might have.

    Just another 2 other quotes from real life :

    Joseph Goebbels am 17. Januar 1936 auf einer Rede vor dem Berliner Gautag:

    „ Jedermann bei uns ist davon überzeugt: Wir müssen an der Beherrschung der Welt teilnehmen. Wir müssen deshalb ein Herrenvolk werden, und deshalb müssen wir unser Volk zum Herrenvolk erziehen.”

    “We are all convinced : We must participate in the domination of the world. We must therefore become a Master Race and we must therefore breed our people as a Master Race”

    (Wolfgang Michalka: Deutsche Geschichte 1939-1945. Frankfurt am Main 1999, S. 89)

    and

    Der Gauleiter (provincial governer) for the Ukraine Erich Koch:

    „Wir sind ein Herrenvolk, das bedenken muß, dass der geringste deutsche Arbeiter rassisch und biologisch tausendmal wertvoller ist als die hiesige Bevölkerung.“

    We are a Master Race, that must consider, that the lowest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the local population.

    (Hans-Erich Volkmann (Hrsg.): Das Russlandbild im Dritten Reich. Köln 1994, S. 43 f.)

    Another interesting quote on a link about Zionism on the German Propaganda Archive :

    “If we support Zionist plans and attempt an international solution by establishing a homeland for the Jews, we will be able to solve the Jewish Question not only in Germany, but in Europe and the entire world.”

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  • Roger writes:
    September 7th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    I feel so shunned. I am not a scholar or academic and now somehow you have me referencing Mein Kampf when I haven’t read that particular small man syndrome publication. Hitler had good taste in women, Eva Braun was a hotty – until the bunker thing… Hitler was a continental dude like Napolean but with bigger guns.

    I gather you are angling for political office of some sort so need to channel your energies into a narrow common denominator type of blogging to maximise electoral appeal which is a wonderful thing. Gotta go now and do my PHD so I am qualified to comment again on your blog Syd.

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    • Syd Walker writes:
      September 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

      Roger – not sure if you’re being serious. If so, you are hypersensitive.

      I didn’t ’shun’ you. FWIW, I’ve made a note to watch the Boys from Brazil movie when opportunity presents.

      Angling for office? I had a crack at a local election some time back and won over about as many voters as you’d find in a launderette on an average day.

      In my experience, people who ‘angle for office’ usually specialize in conformist twaddle. If you find any of that here, please let me know.

      Good luck with your doctorate.

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      • Nick writes:
        September 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am

        It is a fictional story based on a novel, but it is a great thriller, regardless of its historical context.

        The real horror story was Joseph Mengele himself.

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 8th, 2009 at 1:05 am

      A PHD. The only suppose qualification I have is an Associate Diploma in Fine Art. We can all be scholars or academics. I glad I can debate without those pieces of paper on any walls or letters after my name.

      BTW, Why do you think you have been shunned? I wouldn’t presume that Syd has shunned me. My questions may get him to think from a different perspective but his own questions about the Rothschild and Zionist has open my own eyes. After being a frequent guess to this blog, I now have followed Syd’s lead in questioning what we have been taught or told about history.

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      • Syd Walker writes:
        September 8th, 2009 at 8:51 am

        Thanks Alan – and just to be clear, I don’t always reply to comments I agree with. It’s probably more a case of the opposite.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Nick:
    My source was Mein Mampf, written by Adolf Hitler

    Mein Kampf of course…(a preview option would be handy..)

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  • Nick writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Syd, I was

    Syd Walker: Could we try to stick on one topic at a time Nick?

    Syd I was responding to Roger, who mentioned both the “Master Race Myth” as well as the “Holocaust Myth”.

    He asserts that in 1978 the movie “Boys of Brazil” (made by Jews of course) popularized the Master Race myth.

    This is a total nonsense. It was well known before by that time, the information is widely available and has been for a long time.

    My response was :

    “It is widely written about in German publications of the time, Roger and it is a theory that goes back at least one hundred years.”

    Roger introduced the second subject and I couldn’t leave it unchallenged.

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    • Alan Gresley writes:
      September 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

      Nick, who funded the Nazis until they established the Third Reich in 1932? Wasn’t it those monopoly cartels from America. May I dare mention at the very least, Thomas Watson of IBM and Prescott Bush of the Union Banking Corporation.

      Please explain to me how we can avoid connecting the American Business Plot of 1933, the Australian New Guard of 1932, Edward the VII of the UK with Nazi Germany and seeing an opposing camp of Zionist, Fabians and Communist?

      A thought provoking article is written by Henry Makow about Martin Bormann which connects (well worth the read Syd for it’s thriller potential),

      Nations (Britain, US, Israel) movements (Zionism, Socialism, Nazism, Communism) and people (Americans, Germans, Jews) are their pawns to be sacrificed to their demented megalomaniac scheme for global dictatorship.

      Am I claiming that there is something called the Illuminati? I don’t know. Is there such thing as a Master Race or is this just one another masterful piece of propaganda?

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      • Alan Gresley writes:
        September 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

        Typo, Edward VIII

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      • Nick writes:
        September 6th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

        I have no idea what you are talking about Alan, but there is no doubt that initially there was a lot of admiration for Hitler in certain circles in the UK.

        Syd asked 2 simple questions and my simple answers are this :

        The Nazis used a lot of Roman mythology and named their regime “the thousand year Reich”, just like the Roman Empire, that lasted a thousand years. A case of willful thinking.

        The term “Herrenvolk” is well known in most European countries that were occupied by the Germans during WWII.It was a common term and well-known concept.

        As for the aim of racial supremacy, read the original speeches and publications of leading Nazis, it’s all there.

        Maybe we can now discuss if the earth isn’t flat after all…

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        • Syd Walker writes:
          September 7th, 2009 at 8:18 am

          Nick: I have no idea what you are talking about Alan, but there is no doubt that initially there was a lot of admiration for Hitler in certain circles in the UK.Syd asked 2 simple questions and my simple answers are this :The Nazis used a lot of Roman mythology and named their regime “the thousand year Reich”, just like the Roman Empire, that lasted a thousand years. A case of willful thinking.The term “Herrenvolk” is well known in most European countries that were occupied by the Germans during WWII.It was a common term and well-known concept.As for the aim of racial supremacy, read the original speeches and publications of leading Nazis, it’s all there.Maybe we can now discuss if the earth isn’t flat after all…

          That precisely the point at issue, Nick.

          WHERE is the “aim of racial supremacy” articulated in speeches and publications by leading Nazis? It isn’t sufficient to say it’s so… Prove it! As you claim they made so many references to this, please find a couple of them and share.

          I’m not saying such references don’t exist. I don’t know. I can’t read this material in its original German. But with a few pointers from someone such as yourself – and the help of a dictionary – I can probably verify it for myself.

          So, can you help? Or are you just another person who says that something is so based on hearsay and secondary references – without adducing any real evidence?

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          • Nick writes:
            September 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

            Syd Walker: So, can you help? Or are you just another person who says that something is so based on hearsay and secondary references – without adducing any real evidence?

            I can help as far as time permits me, Syd.I obviously haven’t got as much time to research this stuff as you have. I imagine most people don’t and that what makes people like Porter so dangerous, because people don’t have the time or resources to investigate his fraudulent claims.

            There is a wealth of original material out there. I just found 7 references (from 1933 to 1941) to the word “Herrenvolk” in a Dutch newspaper “Het vaderland”. (This paper was censured after the war for being pro-Nazi).

            In a speech made in 1933 Dr. Frank says (my translation) that Roman Law will be replaced by the German People’s law :

            “We are anti-semites,but not barbarians…We have abolished the concepts of “class” and “rank” and introduced the concepts of “the people’s unity” and “race” into the Law….Our slogan is : the Law of Empire is superior to the Law of the Country,
            but the Law of the People is superior to the Law of Empire.

            We intend to once again become “ein Herrenvolk” and the world will just have to get used to that.”

            Herr has various English translations. The correct one here is “Master” as in Herr/Knecht=Master/Servant.

            The original article is here : http://kranten.kb.nl/index2.html

            The concept of “Herrenvolk” as in Master Race ( a superior race of rulers) has been around long before WWII and it is common knowledge in continental Europe what it means,even now so many years after the war.

            The issue of Racial Supremecy is widely discussed in” Mein Kampf” and in “Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts” by Alfred Rosenberg.

            I shall try and find some references, but there should be enough of this material available in English translations, if you really want to find it.

            The explanation of Porter about the meaning of a Thousand Year Reich is bizarre. First of all its common meaning is well enough understood by most people.( “Duizedjarig” in Dutch means just that : something that lasts a thousand years).

            “Jahrig: means “Alter”=”Age’ and “Jahrig” also means “Dauer in Jahren”=”Duration in Years”.

            And finally :

            “The Nazis believed the Aryans are a Master Race and wanted to lord it over the rest – didn’t they?That’s why we had to fight them to the end – wasn’t it?”

            No this is not true. The war was fought for political and economic reason.There was not a great deal of concern amongst the allies for the fate of the Jews or the Germans ideas about creating a Master Race at the time the war broke out.

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            • Alan Gresley writes:
              September 8th, 2009 at 1:56 am

              Nick: I have no idea what you are talking about Alan, but there is no doubt that initially there was a lot of admiration for Hitler in certain circles in the UK.

              I talking about eugenics movements in Britain, Australia and the United States in the 19th century and and Fascist movements in Britain, Australia and the United States before and during WW2 which are similar to those in Germany. Another term for eugenics is racial hygiene. I will quote the first line of a whole chapter titled “The Aborigine” from the book, Western Australia – An Official Handbook (complied under the Authority of the Government of Western Australia) published in 1925.

              “The problem of assisting the native race is beset with difficulties, because of the low place of the Australian aborigine on the anthropological scale”

              To help you along I will give precise links (the dark red links don’t show well).

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plot

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guard

              My Grandfather just happened to have been fired by Eric Campbell during the Great Depression. An old family story is once my Grandfather saw Eric Campbell and is associates organizing whatever with guns all around them.

              Maybe this will also help your understanding

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism

              Nick:
              Syd asked 2 simple questions and my simple answers are this :The Nazis used a lot of Roman mythology and named their regime “the thousand year Reich”, just like the Roman Empire, that lasted a thousand years. A case of willful thinking.

              Another name for the First Reich is the Holy Roman Empire.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Reich

              It began in 962AD and lasted until 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars. The Second Reich lasted from 1871 to 1918. These two periods is close to 890 years. You say the Nazis used a lot of Roman mythology. How coincidental that is. The Nazis were also influenced by Nordic Mysticism and also Occult, Mysticism and Spiritualism movements which began in the late 19th century. The same also happened in France, Britain and America. None of this is willful (perhaps wishful) thinking but recorded facts that can be read in books. Either original books (expensive) or from later books quoting or referencing from these earlier books.

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  • Nick writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Syd Walker: Neither of these references constitutes a well-written, carefully-referenced academic paper.

    My source was Mein Mampf, written by Adolf Hitler

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  • Alan Gresley writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Oh my, and why is it indoctrinated to us westerners about Hitler’s “Master Race” but not about similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics Eugenics movements of the 19th century that were present in Britain, Canada, Australia and the United States?

    Isn’t leaving the third world in chaos another sign that Eugenics is ever so popular among the current elite?

    Is it also true that many Christians around the world also talk about Millenarianism or a 1000 year reign? The German word “Reich” is “Empire” in English.

    Let no rumor be told that the Western Empire (comprising christian elites) spanning over 2000 years since the days of Roman Empire is in rapid decay. :-)

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  • Roger writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    The 1978 movie ‘The Boys from Brazil’ based on a 1976 novel by Ira Levin popularised the Master Race myth. It dovetails nicely with the Holocaust myth (Hitler gassed to death six million Jews). Hollywood churns out a lot of Zionist propaganda because it is largely run by Jews.

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    • Nick writes:
      September 6th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

      It is widely written about in German publications of the time, Roger and it is a theory that goes back at least one hundred years.

      The Holocaust is so extensively recorded by the Nazis themselves that only a fool would deny it.

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      • Syd Walker writes:
        September 6th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

        Nick: The Holocaust is so extensively recorded by the Nazis themselves that only a fool would deny it.

        Could we try to stick on one topic at a time Nick?

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  • Nick writes:
    September 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Mein Kampf ;

    Human beings are at the top of the hierarchy of mortal living beings. Like Nietzsche, Hitler believed that there were human beings who were naturally of a higher-order or lower-order. For Hitler the distinction between naturally preeminent and inferior human beings was bound to race, with the so-called “Aryan” race being ‘der Begründer höheren Menschentums überhaupt’ [the founder of all higher humanity] (MK:317; Mh.:263). The Aryan was, indeed, the ‘Urtyp dessen (…), was wir unter dem Worte ,,Mensch” verstehen’ [the prototype of all that we understand by the word 'man'] (MK:317; Mh.:263).

    The German people are portrayed in MK as the ‘Herren der Erde’ whose genius and courage give them their elevated position as defenders of the world (MK:739; Mh.:596); they are a physically, morally and culturally superior Herrenvolk (’master people’) (MK:438; Mh.:360).

    Naturally, it is the NS movement which will lead the German people as their master: ‘Nicht Knecht soll sie der Masse sein, sondern Herr!’ [It must not become the servant of the masses, but their master!] (MK:520; Mh.:422). Hitler depicted the disintegration of the German Reich as poison being driven into the Aryan Heldenleib (’heroic body’) by its enemies, especially the Jews (MK:169; Mh.:141). He saw his role as Führer of Germany as a heroic one: ‘Nur der Held ist dazu berufen’ [only the hero is cut out for this] (MK:379; Mh.:313). The nobility of German cultural and spiritual virtues is also stressed, most frequently with the adjective edel, referring, for example, to the State’s responsibility to encourage all that is noble in the German people, the ‘edelsten Bestandteile unseres Volkstums, ja der ganzen Menschheit’ [the most noble elements of our nationality, indeed of all mankind] (MK:439; Mh.:361).

    http://www.metaphorik.de/09/rash.htm

    There is also a German version available of Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts by Alfred Rosenberg, but I found it too tedious to read it.

    http://www.archive.org/details/DerMythusDesZwanzigstenJahrhunderts

    The Nazis were very much obsessed with racial purity. The strange thing was that Jews in Germany had integrated and inter-married more than just about any other European country.

    You can put it down to American-Zionist propaganda as much as you like Syd.

    The facts are so well-established and it is been recorded by so many different sources, that this is really beyond questioning.

    If I am bored enough and have nothing better to do (which does not happen often) I’ll happily trawl through some of the original German writings.

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    • Syd Walker writes:
      September 6th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

      Roger. My intent was not to argue that Mein Kampf is a nice book. The merits and/or demerits of Mein Kampf is a separate issue.

      My question here is whether the term ‘Master Race’ was really used by the Nazi leadership and whether the concept they had of the German people resembled the greatly-feared ‘Master Race’ ambition of popular imagination in anti-Nazi nations. I’ve an additional query regarding the 1,000-year Reich notion; did the Nazis really plan an Empire lasting 1,000 years, or was it used by them as a retrospective term?

      The source I cited (Carlos Porter) disputes that Herrenvolk may be accurately be translated as ‘Master Race’:

      The real meaning of “race des seigneurs” is “race of lords”. “Herr” simply means a gentleman. A “Herrenhaus” is a manor house; a “Herrenreiter” is a gentleman rider; and a “Herrenschneider” is a gentleman’s tailor. The word “Herr” need not necessarily imply a master-slave relationship at all, any more than the word “lord” need imply “drunk as a lord” or “slumlord”.

      The point is not to quibble about the possible translations of “Master Race”, but simply to point out that the term was not used.

      Your source suggests something different:

      The German people are portrayed in MK as the ‘Herren der Erde’ whose genius and courage give them their elevated position as defenders of the world (MK:739; Mh.:596); they are a physically, morally and culturally superior Herrenvolk (’master people’) (MK:438; Mh.:360)

      .

      Neither of these references constitutes a well-written, carefully-referenced academic paper. They are clearly written from very different perspectives – Porter is sympathetic to the Nazis, Rash is the opposite. In my opinion, neither source delivers a knock-out punch on these specific issues, one way or the other.

      Perhaps these authors – or other scholars – will chime into the discussion eventually? I hope so.

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